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	<title>Comments on: The Blighted Groves of Academe</title>
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	<description>An Economist's Travelogue</description>
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		<title>By: Vermillion</title>
		<link>http://blog.cheapmotelsandahotplate.org/2009/04/02/the-blighted-groves-of-academe/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Vermillion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It may seem heretical to some for me to say it, but the University, in my opinion, has no sincere commitment whatever to the education of undergraduates. If it did, it would not be employing the lean production techniques outlined above, all of which are harmful to the production of educated human beings.&quot;

I think you should read  Ivory tower blues, http://www.ivorytowerblues.com/

I&#039;d be interested to read a blogpost and a review of your beefs and criticisms of the book, I imagine you&#039;d have a lot to say to about their work.

I think the system is making every one jaded, and quite frankly most of the students don&#039;t truly care about being educated they are little capitalists themselves.  They see their degree as a mealticket to the middle class, they are absolutely desperate to avoid poverty.

Only a small minority wants to be educated, the rest do not care and just want the piece of paper.  I think you are REALLY idealistic about school, when I was in school I hated it because it was forced and so many useless irrelevant assignments were given, IMHO school is a big example of the class system (i.e. artifical grading), especially in university, universities scream class like no other instutition (i.e. bell curve grading?).  I think grades can never truly capture someone&#039;s abilities or their creativity and what they are ultimately capable of since in capitalist society most of a persons time is spread too thin (both teachers and students) to really develop their talents.

I didn&#039;t learn to enjoy learning until I got out of school. The wonderful thing about the internet is that it allows one to learn what one is interested in and read articles and books by those who are generally enthusiastic about their interests, so you can find people of like mind and learn a tonne from them.

I do believe schools are not haven&#039;s of learning anymore because let&#039;s face it - they are so resource deprived and intergenerational issues arise with the majority of teachers being out of touch with the private sector, when I was a kid I wanted to make video games but there were no such teachers and our schools weren&#039;t equipped nor had staff that had any idea how to use computers and that was common for a vast majority of schools for when I was in school.

Also the public schools are havens of mediocrity, I know looking back on my own life that public schools when I went to school were just staffed by the clueless, I&#039;m not sure if it was the school board or what public schools are usually &quot;bottom of the barrel&quot; in terms of talent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It may seem heretical to some for me to say it, but the University, in my opinion, has no sincere commitment whatever to the education of undergraduates. If it did, it would not be employing the lean production techniques outlined above, all of which are harmful to the production of educated human beings.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you should read  Ivory tower blues, <a href="http://www.ivorytowerblues.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.ivorytowerblues.com/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d be interested to read a blogpost and a review of your beefs and criticisms of the book, I imagine you&#8217;d have a lot to say to about their work.</p>
<p>I think the system is making every one jaded, and quite frankly most of the students don&#8217;t truly care about being educated they are little capitalists themselves.  They see their degree as a mealticket to the middle class, they are absolutely desperate to avoid poverty.</p>
<p>Only a small minority wants to be educated, the rest do not care and just want the piece of paper.  I think you are REALLY idealistic about school, when I was in school I hated it because it was forced and so many useless irrelevant assignments were given, IMHO school is a big example of the class system (i.e. artifical grading), especially in university, universities scream class like no other instutition (i.e. bell curve grading?).  I think grades can never truly capture someone&#8217;s abilities or their creativity and what they are ultimately capable of since in capitalist society most of a persons time is spread too thin (both teachers and students) to really develop their talents.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t learn to enjoy learning until I got out of school. The wonderful thing about the internet is that it allows one to learn what one is interested in and read articles and books by those who are generally enthusiastic about their interests, so you can find people of like mind and learn a tonne from them.</p>
<p>I do believe schools are not haven&#8217;s of learning anymore because let&#8217;s face it &#8211; they are so resource deprived and intergenerational issues arise with the majority of teachers being out of touch with the private sector, when I was a kid I wanted to make video games but there were no such teachers and our schools weren&#8217;t equipped nor had staff that had any idea how to use computers and that was common for a vast majority of schools for when I was in school.</p>
<p>Also the public schools are havens of mediocrity, I know looking back on my own life that public schools when I went to school were just staffed by the clueless, I&#8217;m not sure if it was the school board or what public schools are usually &#8220;bottom of the barrel&#8221; in terms of talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark E. Smith</title>
		<link>http://blog.cheapmotelsandahotplate.org/2009/04/02/the-blighted-groves-of-academe/comment-page-1/#comment-113</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark E. Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike the failed banking industry and the outsourced manufacturing industries, the U.S. health care industry, education industry, and prison industry remain profitable. Unfortunately, their profits derive from the destruction of the human body, mind, and spirit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike the failed banking industry and the outsourced manufacturing industries, the U.S. health care industry, education industry, and prison industry remain profitable. Unfortunately, their profits derive from the destruction of the human body, mind, and spirit.</p>
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		<title>By: MF Lehman</title>
		<link>http://blog.cheapmotelsandahotplate.org/2009/04/02/the-blighted-groves-of-academe/comment-page-1/#comment-105</link>
		<dc:creator>MF Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many years since I was in the academy, but this sure explains a lot of things seen from the outside which seemed curious but disconnected to me. Horrifying, but thanks anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many years since I was in the academy, but this sure explains a lot of things seen from the outside which seemed curious but disconnected to me. Horrifying, but thanks anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.cheapmotelsandahotplate.org/2009/04/02/the-blighted-groves-of-academe/comment-page-1/#comment-100</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Venture Capitalists are running educational instutions designed to provide free education for all to provide equality as for profit businesses and ruining it.  It is the ultimate hypocracy.  Public education should be free of fees and available to all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Venture Capitalists are running educational instutions designed to provide free education for all to provide equality as for profit businesses and ruining it.  It is the ultimate hypocracy.  Public education should be free of fees and available to all.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike B)</title>
		<link>http://blog.cheapmotelsandahotplate.org/2009/04/02/the-blighted-groves-of-academe/comment-page-1/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike B)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this to my Facebook page.  And yeah, students are workers in training within the education industry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this to my Facebook page.  And yeah, students are workers in training within the education industry.</p>
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